I have had been on a bad run lately and had started to lose confidence in my play when I had decided to post some HHs on Cardschat.I had realized I made some bad moves myself and now know that if someone calls my bets, they have hit the board or have me beat.
At the level I play(micro/$2NL full ring)my overpair on a drawing board is virtually useless as most of those fish will call any amount to chase the draw.
The fish will call anything from bottom pair and will chase all draws, including backdoor/gutshot straight/flush draws, sure the best approach against these players is to make them pay for their draws but what annoys me most is when I keep betting to the point where I'm basically pot committed and knowing they have hit their draw, now I have to fold after investing so much into the pot because the idiot hit his gutshot/backdoor draw.
Just because they might draw to the better hand, doesn't mean I have to change my betting pattern, I just have to keep making them pay to see the next card and have to accept that these players will always be there, but I am a better player than them and I will win more often than I will lose.
The following hands are hands that made me question my abilities to play poker but now realize after getting some feedback at Cardschat that I made the right moves and just got unlucky.
PokerStars Hand #74831492837: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2012/01/31 21:59:41 ET
Table 'Aethusa IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Shure 777 ($1.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Cronopiáceo ($0.77 in chips)
Seat 3: ludoman34 ($5.31 in chips)
Seat 4: LoxoscelesG ($1.59 in chips)
Seat 5: Heretic74 ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 6: Malbona ($1.60 in chips)
Seat 7: TTBS ($5.36 in chips)
Seat 8: szmalikos ($2.77 in chips)
Seat 9: Orion469 ($1.51 in chips)
TTBS: posts small blind $0.01
szmalikos: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Kc Kh]
Orion469: raises $0.08 to $0.10
Shure 777: folds
Cronopiáceo: folds
ludoman34: calls $0.10
LoxoscelesG: folds
Heretic74: folds
Malbona: folds
TTBS: folds
szmalikos: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 6c 8h]
Orion469: bets $0.20
ludoman34: calls $0.20
*** TURN *** [Jc 6c 8h] [Th]
Orion469: bets $1.21 and is all-in
ludoman34: calls $1.21
*** RIVER *** [Jc 6c 8h Th] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
ludoman34: shows [9h Qs] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
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PokerStars Hand #74830295347: Tournament #558010962, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2012/01/31 21:18:36 ET
Table '558010962 29' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: rondon300 (5035 in chips)
Seat 2: julio2rj (3750 in chips)
Seat 3: Elevatio (4650 in chips)
Seat 4: BaGaSakOs21 (1855 in chips)
Seat 5: Orcking (5790 in chips)
Seat 6: solidersss (3000 in chips)
Seat 7: nelsons999 (2337 in chips)
Seat 8: Orion469 (3720 in chips)
Seat 9: A.Artamonov (8279 in chips)
rondon300: posts the ante 5
julio2rj: posts the ante 5
Elevatio: posts the ante 5
BaGaSakOs21: posts the ante 5
Orcking: posts the ante 5
solidersss: posts the ante 5
nelsons999: posts the ante 5
Orion469: posts the ante 5
A.Artamonov: posts the ante 5
Orcking: posts small blind 30
solidersss: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Qc Qs]
nelsons999: folds
Orion469: raises 180 to 240
A.Artamonov: folds
rondon300: folds
julio2rj: folds
Elevatio: folds
BaGaSakOs21: folds
Orcking: calls 210
solidersss: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 7c Jd]
Orcking: bets 360
Orion469: raises 540 to 900
Orcking: calls 540
*** TURN *** [9d 7c Jd] [5s]
Orcking: bets 780
Orion469: raises 1795 to 2575 and is all-in
Orcking: calls 1795
*** RIVER *** [9d 7c Jd 5s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orcking: shows [Jc Ad] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Orion469: shows [Qc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Orcking collected 7535 from pot
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PokerStars Hand #74840427664: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2012/02/01 5:20:14 ET
Table 'Heze VI' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BAMBLEBY ($1.38 in chips)
Seat 2: Magalodon/AL ($3.64 in chips)
Seat 3: diggerdog888 ($0.81 in chips)
Seat 4: Kaizen08 ($2.03 in chips)
Seat 5: Orion469 ($1.87 in chips)
Seat 6: kojar8 ($5.22 in chips)
Seat 7: expelok ($2 in chips)
Seat 8: monkyeysh ($0.69 in chips)
Seat 9: goga455 ($1.55 in chips)
Orion469: posts small blind $0.01
kojar8: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Ah As]
expelok: folds
monkyeysh: folds
goga455: calls $0.02
BAMBLEBY: folds
Magalodon/AL: folds
diggerdog888: folds
Kaizen08: folds
Orion469: raises $0.08 to $0.10
kojar8: folds
goga455: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [5h 7d 7h]
Orion469: bets $0.16
goga455: calls $0.16
*** TURN *** [5h 7d 7h] [7c]
Orion469: bets $0.40
goga455: calls $0.40
*** RIVER *** [5h 7d 7h 7c] [Ac]
Orion469: bets $0.86
goga455: raises $0.03 to $0.89 and is all-in
Orion469: calls $0.03
*** SHOW DOWN ***
goga455: shows [7s 3d] (four of a kind, Sevens)
Orion469: mucks hand
goga455 collected $2.97 from pot
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PokerStars Hand #74729407965: Tournament #558010251, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/01/30 7:31:47 ET
Table '558010251 115' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: pepsi_tashev (3500 in chips)
Seat 2: taurus0566 (5580 in chips)
Seat 3: Treik90 (2200 in chips)
Seat 4: olmmom (4845 in chips)
Seat 5: 4KOT4 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: nd92tmb (2705 in chips)
Seat 7: hash plant99 (6580 in chips)
Seat 8: Orion469 (2710 in chips)
Seat 9: danapower (1720 in chips)
taurus0566: posts small blind 25
Treik90: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Ks As]
olmmom: folds
4KOT4: folds
nd92tmb: folds
hash plant99: folds
Orion469: raises 100 to 150
danapower: folds
pepsi_tashev: folds
taurus0566: calls 125
Treik90: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c Kd Qs]
taurus0566: checks
Orion469: bets 300
taurus0566: calls 300
*** TURN *** [9c Kd Qs] [Kh]
taurus0566: checks
Orion469: bets 2260 and is all-in
taurus0566: calls 2260
*** RIVER *** [9c Kd Qs Kh] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
taurus0566: shows [Js Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
Orion469: shows [Ks As] (three of a kind, Kings)
taurus0566 collected 5470 from pot
I also realize that these players have no idea about pot odds and think that just because they have outs, the amount to call to see their cards doesn't matter to them, even if they are not getting the right odds to make the call.
